>> bill: you guys are part of america, you are part of my life. and you know me man i'm a tough guy. every summer i got the beach boys on my radio. your new stuff is just as good as your old stuff. if you can catch the beach boys in concert, do so. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> bill: that is this edition of the factor thanks very much for watching us. i am bill o'reilly remember the spin stops right here, we are definitely looking out for. merry christmas, everybody. >> bill: a special edition of the o'reilly factor is is on. tonight: >> the factor go hollywood. >> wayne was kind of like you. he was an intimidator.

>> bill: me? >> i think you like it. not going to work with me. >> bill: what do guys like kelsey grammer and think about the state of the union right now. >> democrats have gone further left and republicans have gone to where the democrats were 40 years ago. >> bill: why are so many celebrities becoming so engaged in politics? >> the center is where we should be because all of us agree on a lot. >> is socialism the new craze among some pop celebrity icons? >> i'm not a liberal. i was raised a socialists. my family is socialist. they are not liberals. they were socialists. >> bill: we collected some great hollywood interviews this evening and it all starts right now. >> once upon a time you and i actually thought journalism was a calling. >> bill: but i still think i'm doing something noble. [ laughter ] >> bill: caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now.

thanks for watching if factor goes hollywood special. kelsey gam march, all have something to say about the change the past few years. we begin with chuck norris. >> if we look to history our great country and freedom are under attack. we are at a tipping point and quite possibly our country as we know it may be lost forever if we don't change the course our country is headed. >> bill: you are saying look, we are headed for armageddon in what way? >> i don't say armageddon. we need to go one direction, left, which would be socialism or right, which would be people trying to make the money themselves. >> what has happened is the democrats have gone further left and the republicans have gone to where the democrats

were 40 years ago. >> what do you object to in the redistribution of wealth? >> the fact that they are affecting the small businesses in our country. see the stores that are closed out of business because of what's going on in our economy. that tears my heart up. dark me, i don't care. >> you don't care if you pay more taxes. >> i pay humongous amount of taxes which you do too. >> bill: you want to pay 40 or 45% which is where they would take you the income redistributers. >> if it would help i wouldn't mind it the thing is it won't help. the more money congress gets the more they will spend. >> bill: i have got to see it is doing some good. you have a foundation and i have a foundation. we give a lot of money privately to charities that we know like the wounded warriors. thanks for coming. good to see you again. >> thank you, bill. >> would you call yourself a conservative now? >> yeah. i become conservative on, you know, because of the position

that we're in right now. >> bill: financial position? things like that? >> certainly financial. i have always said if you were going to wear the badge that we have earned of sheriff of this -- >> bill: of the world? >> yes, of the world. then you better act like wyatt earth. >> that puts new a minority in hollywood. >> i guess so. there is a lot of conservatives -- >> bill: there is a lot of fear among some actors that aren't as accomplished as you that say if they are a conservative they won't work. >> i will be a hypocrite because i don't like when actors talk politics. >> i'm on the o'reilly show. >> bill: i'm forcing you to do it why don't you like actors that talk about politics? >> because they haven't got political science degrees, you know most of them. >> bill: it does get annoying when somebody like barbra streisand does a political web site people who need liberal people are the luckest people in the world. >> i study her. >> now, in hollywood, also, we're not as tough as we used to be. i remember a movie called elder rad doe, you are a young

guy. >> i think you better stand up. john wayne, robert mitchum and you. three tough guys. >> let's see if you can do that trick twice. >> wayne is kind of like you i was an intimidator. >> bill: me? >> i think you like it. not going to work with me. >> not going to be work with -- just don't give me the carlo. >> again i will kill you. >> back then in hollywood. these were tough guys. tough guys that came up the hard way and that showed through on the screen. same thing with you. >> bobby used to make fun of me i would say acting is a silly thing for grown up to do. it's not really a job. >> all the families will come after you, sunny. >> as i grow older. do i believe in art and i studied. i didn't study how to be a tough guy. my neighborhood taught me how to do that. >> bill: that's right. you brought that with you. >> it's part of me. the point is i sing and dance but nobody remembers that.

>> bill: anybody give you any jazz when you go home to l.a.? i saw mr. kramer in chicago a few weeks ago when miller and i were there. we were almost arrested but we escaped. conservatived guy? lively speculation about certain conversations. i have read things aboutea how pa theted thick it is to be a republican in hollywood. there isr group called friends of abe. >> you are a member of that? >> i'm a member of that group there have been derisive comments about that. >> bill: nothing personal to you. >> not that i know about. >> bill: i would have loved to have been on the set with you ted danson and woody harrelson. danson and harrelson, you can't get more left wing. you and ratzenberger, here you are on the other side. >> ratsen berger used to be on the other side he made the transition. >> bill: as soon as he started watching the factor.

did you talk t politics back in the day? >> once in a while. i have always been kind of a small government bmay go and that's whyif i just think that the private sector and society can take care of itself better than the government can. >> did they get heated because a very left wing woman did they get heated when you came in and said i like the conservative guys a little bit? did they throw a beer stein at you. >> they would say things this is actually a phrase if he runs -- remember when they were having the recall of the governorship, somebody said maybe kelsey is goineg to run. i said i hope he does declare that he is running because i'm going to contribute a million dollars tomorrow to defeat him. >> bill: who said that? producers of the show. >> bill: you were outnumbered? >> i'm always outnumbered. >> bill: coming up. comedians leary and love vits unleash. >> i believe in strong military and helping those below you. >> bill: later, ted koppel and

guy head to head over the topic of the popularity of the fox news channel. coming right back.

glsm the impacted segment tonight. kevin spacey big night performance become outspoken in the world of politics. we sat down recently with them. >> you say hollywood is a one party town. is there a reason for that? >> i think that and i don't know what it says. it's not meant to be a judgment. but it seems to me like creative people end up being democrats and i think it's been that way forever. >> bill: is that because they feel sorry for the down trodden? i consider myself a creative person. i'm kind of a more traditional guy than liberal guy. >> let's face it, i think that democrats are very long on

empathy, artists have to be long on elm empathy. republicans are long on logic in my view. >> theta moob a little oversimplifying. >> i was trying to simplify. >> i think it's a pier pressure thing out there when you get into the businesses. everybody is one way. it's pretty much you have got to go that way. >> listen, everybody can relate to growing up at the kitchen table and hearing parents talk only one view. >> bill: did you work for dukakis. >> i did. >> when you were 24. >> i did. >> bill: he was a very liberal guy. >> right. >> bill: he got his butt kicked as you know. is that because you were working for him. >> i can pick them. i also worked for schwarzenegger. >> bill: there you go. what happened to him. >> he took on the entrenched party system in california. >> bill: and got his butt kicked. he got terminated by him. they killed him. look, i don't think around knew what he was getting into. i think he tried. >> i disagree. i have never met a person who

can't who was less good at bringing or better at bringing people together an arnold. he is left office with 25% approval rating. it was just you guys it's a very divisive state. they say if you are a centrist in california you get run over. all of us agree on a lot. >> bill: have you become more conservative as you have gotten older? >> ministry without a doubt. my son studying politics in high school had me take online very complicated poll. you couldn't have put me more in the middle than where i ended up. >> bill: these pinheads in hollywood, do they care about the country's shape right now? are they aware that there are big changes. >> yeah. but i think a lot of people in hollywood might care a little too much. and involve themselves with maybe things that are before

their pay grade. >> bill: hollywood was so enthusiastic about obama. is there any buyer's remorse? >> i don't know because i'm not a very hollywood guy. i hang out with comics and we will make fun of whoever is in office we don't care. >> bill: you don't hear that on the sitcom set or anything else? not in that world? >> not a world. >> bill: most economics are angry are you. >> not at all: i used to be. i used to drink and was a creepy guy. i was very short and angry. >> bill: then you got taller somehow. >> i got taller. i met the love of my life. >> bill: that will happen. >> i got married to nick. it's a girl nic. i just said nic. >> half the country just went wait a minute, we were with him. we were with him and then he dropped that on us. >> bill: especially when you are irish catholic. married a guy named bruno. >> no brunos in my life. >> bill: in show best because you are kind of a work class guy like me. >> you have no idea.

i watch the show my whole life and the fact that you said you are working class like me my heart skipped a little beat. >> bill: that's true. you make it big. how do you look back? >> it takes way longer than everyone thinks. >> bill: yes. >> people always say what was your big break? it's hard to explain that you have had 20 to 30 big breaks that at the time you thought were the break. >> it's been a great day. >> are you in or are you out? it's not show friend it's show business. >> you go do jerry maguire and that's the biggest break you have in your life. >> bill: maguire was big for you. >> firemen tore carry that around in your head for a week would could you get that in your head for a second? >> bill: i have never understood why actor tores, producers and directors are so liberal generally speaking? i have had actors come up to me who say you know i can't really tell people how i feel because i might not work. the late charlton heston look,

i used to be a liberal. then i became a conservative and i never got invited another another party. houston was huge. >> he was huge he paid a price on n. his mind for going over to the conservative side you never seen that. >> i never heard of a situation because someone had a particular political belief they didn't get a part. i think it's a myth albeit from an acting perspective. when you put yourself as actors have to do in other people's shoes when you have it put on the costume that someone else has worn in their life. much much harder to be prejudiced against them and to not try to look at the world in a sense of i'm not going to judge somebody. i'm going to try to understand who they are and what they are about. acting is very humanizing profession. >> bill: element pealt is gained by your professional

expertise in playing different characters? >> i don't care it's imsympathy. for example, i can't judge the characters i play because it's for the audience to do. what i can try to do is to understand and embody wheat what were they going through? how did they make the decisions. >> this western is bill and that person is this. it's not really interesting anyway. a film i did about recount about the gore bush election. there is some things that people behave in such a way that you couldn't believe you couldn't write this stuff it's inherently funny. >> bill: thanks for coming in mr. spacey. >> thanks so much. >> bill: john lovette has had a few about the president at the comedy club did he descrap the highest office in america. >> what i said and why it went viral is frankly shocking to me.

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>> bill: welcome back to this special edition of the factor tonight. we go hollywood. and the first unresolved problem seeing: john love vits and collin quinn denis leary unleashed.

we start with leary why do you hate america. >> i love america. what are you talking about. >> good boston boy. >> i love america. i write this country i assume that's america including you and most of the people related to you by birth or marriage or both is populated by beings who have been so blessed for so long that they have become almost completely immune to any interest to any other than their own. >> true. how many people do your daily walking around. >> i don't walk i have people carry me. >> you don't have to worry about it because you are being carried around. don't you notice some of these morons walking around with their heads down texting or whatever he they are doing while they are working through new york city? >> bill: there is a lot of narcissism in our society. not everybody. >> not everybody. not you, not me. >> i don't know about you leary. >> almost everybody else. i don't walk around that way. >> bill: you are making big money on your book you are basically saying this country is doomed. we are out of it.

we are a bunch ever pinheads. >> i'm not saying that we're out of it or doomed because it's still the greatest country on the planet. we have a lot of dead weight. per putt a percentage on it dead weight? >> yeah. i would have to go at least i'm going to base it on my own mass about 45%. half the country. >> worldwide receivers tweeting god because they dropped a pass. i mean, seriously. >> bill: are you a boston liberal guy? matt dan monday are you those guys. >> no, i'm not ben aflect. >> my guys in boston are not like those guys. >> name a guy. >> my guys around the liberal guys. >> like who? >> i'm not going to embarrass them. >> i'm not going to maim me

because my parents were irish immigrants. >> bill: you were a working class guy? >> working class guy. i believe in strong military and helping those below you and if you are balancing the budget. you should be able to sleep with whoever you want. that's the jack kennedy approach to item crazy. >> bill: you know a lot of 50s just beat the hell out of you because they are strong conservative blue collar. >> is i have a lot of conservative views on a lot of things. >> bill: give me one. >> tattoos. you know, i basically i don't like tattoos unless you are a firefighter that has a tattoo. or military guy. those are people who should have tattoos. >> bill: you don't like the spider on the neck. >> i think it sends strong. we have a lot of common ground. >> we did.

>> are you will woe running down. don't you think? >> i'm asking you, man. i'm asking u. incident i can't deuse to have had back in our country, tribal trism works. we are like a come compilation f any elm pair- >> bill: everything everybody in the past done wrong we have to put it off how does it manifest itself. >> with us like excess now it's like now even years ago people used to say we left all the manufacturing jobs. left the country now moving money. now not even moving money. not even the idea of money. most people's job is talking about the future more money not in the present tense. it's not even paper. >> bill: like a hedge fund guy, nobody know what is that is. >> it doesn't exist. trading the idea of somebody else doing.

>> bill: making all this money and they don't do anything. there is nothing there. we are culturally in decline because of things like the jersey shore? >> it is easy to attack. the greeks at least when they watched plays they weren't frivolous they were like watching all these teach thoughts like snooki losing her crel phone. >> it seems like a greek play. if you just boil it down, i don't know what they are doing, i never watch the jersey shore it frightens me. i thought it was zombie thing at first but they are real people. >> it frightens you because we are irish. that's not all part of the jersey shore. >> there are fans just apawstled by that. >> probably too close to them. >> here is how bad the jersey shore time. hey you are giving us a bad

name. >> tony so he bran know who are making that into the focal point. were they are not even like the eye tall i don't knowst e. they don't group and fight. i feel like we are not correcteddenned they stop having heart to heater. >> i lick west side story much better when they jition attacked each other. >> being do you listen to talk radio to draw from your material? >> i will prove to you i watch the factor. i think you have been very bullying to steve doocy lately. think think steve brings out something to you in teenage years where you juries bully them. >> i see steve as part of the decline in america? >> this whole thing with obama smalg the rich don't pay their taxes is [bleep]. i voted for the guy and i'm a

democrat what a [bleep] rich don't pay their taxes,let me tell you something, right? first they say to your brother it's the united states of america you can do whatever you want and you can go for it. >> >> bill: ill think a lot of people feel the same you do. very frustrating. you are kind of c disrespectful when you call president obama the president of the united states a blanking blank. do you feel bad about doing that? >> no. because you have to h put it in con elks and i'm doing a pofd cast there. the nature of the pod cast is you are arthur and honest. you just basically sea is you you now. it's different in are clib. i do stand up my whole act. i make funnel of everybody. you can't say on television say in then private club. >> bill: i know that here is thel. deal. we live in a crazy now

electronic world where where everything everybody says is instantly on the internet andld whipped around the world saying i'm a little bit like you come from very modest beginnings, work our way up. really work hard and then when we're told we're not paying our fair share, you know, that's kind of annoying, i'm simpatico but i want the presidency, the office to be respected. and i don't want people using those kind of terms to describe any president. do you see my point? >> yeah, do i see your point. to me, i'm just a mouse compared to the president of the united states. one, two, you are in a comedy club and people talk this way all thehe time. it's nothing if you have ever been to a club, what i said is nothing. the real issue isn't what i

said what i said and why it went i viral. which frankly is shocking to me. to me it's like who cares what i think. >> bill: that's what i'm trying to tell you. anything like that now, anything like that and they are not going to take it into context either. the reaction to you. >> yeah. i think that's hard of part of the problem too it, standing up for all comedians just because you are a comedian on a stage in a comedy club means you are joking around? and the answer is yes. >> bill: plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. ted koppel and i go man. >> it's the tv edition of the factor goes hollywood. we hope you stay tuned for that report.

it offends me when you are rude. it offends me when you ride over people, which you have a tendency to do. >> bill: but i only do it when they filibuster or when they lie, as barney frank did that one time. i don't do it when somebody is

sincerely trying to answer my questions. it's not like it used to be. >> 15 years ago there was a crying need for a network that focused more on conservative issues fox has done that. msnbc has now come along and tried to provide not because it's t. saw the need for ideological balance but because it saw the balance sheet for fox news. >> getting their butt kicked. there is a big difference between fox news and msnbc. >> tell me. >> i'm asking what you it is. >> i'm asking you. >> so you concede you don't know he what it is. >> we do hard news from 5:00 in the morning until 8. hard news. msnbc doesn't do one hour the hard news. it's all let's push the democratic agenda from sign on to sign off. this is a news agency here fox news. >> i don't think anyone is going to be confused as toed

ideological belief of most of the people who appear on fox i think that's yosly unfair to the hard news reporter if you look at the bureau system and the people we have reporting the network is more traditional i think that's a fairer term than the other network news and they give weight to people, their commentators and people that they hire if you look at all of the journalists and we tick them down if you want. rather, brokaw, cronkite, they are all left-wing guys. all of them and you know that. >> hold on. i would argue that back in the day you didn't know what cronkite was. >> bill: if you were working in iowa you may not have known but working at cbs news you know because i worked there. >> off camera but on camera. >> bill: decisions were made about personnel, story coverage and point of view by cronkite, brokaw, and rather

who were committed left wingers. >> and cop tell you might as well add me. >> bill: you know, i think you were in a daze all the time. i don't think you interfered that much. i was at abc. i heard the scuttlebutt but you. you weren't a big interferer, you weren't. jennings didn't like all that ideology. he didn't. that's why i didn't bring his name up. >> i would rather you criticizing me because your compliments are more damaging. >> bill: i have got to tell the truth. >> bill, what is it that you think i have said about the network or written about the network. >> bill: you think we have corrupted the sanctity of fair news coverage that's what i think. >> i think ideological coverage of the news, be it of the right or be of it of the left has created a political reality in this country which is bad for america. i think it's made it difficult, if not

for decent men and women on congress on capitol hill to reach across the aisle and find compromise. and if we can't do that, bill, weir going to be and we have been, i think for the last few years. in a terrible situation in this country where politically >> bill: you are blaming me and the fox news channel for the deterioration of congress. if they don't have enough guts to do what's best for the country by compromising, all right? they don't deserve to be there. can't be on top for so long as the fox news channel has been on top and sell a product that's inferior or dishonest. it's impossible in this country. so, therefore, i want you to reevaluate our network. watch it a little bit more and then we will talk about it in a year. last word? >> last word is how many people are watching the fox network at 10:00 in the morning or 2:00 in the afternoon or 3:00 in the afternoon?

roughly? >> bill: i don't know how many people. >> you should you work for the organization. we have millions of people sign off to sign on you do not have millions of people watching at 10:00 in the morning or noon or one in the afternoon millions of people are watching you, bill. >> bill: they are better for it. [ laughter ] >> the millions of people are watching those of you with a particular point of view that's the way the country works, that's the free marketplace you and i felt journalism was a calling. >> i still think i'm doing something noble. [ laughter ] next up, actors ed asner and roseanne barr never shy about their political views enter the no spin zone. >> bill: you are a long time

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>> bill: continuing now with special factor goes hollywood. second unresolved problem segment tonight. had some provocative conversations with actors roseanne barr and ed asner about why they are socialists let's trace your political evolution. >> uh-oh. were you always a liberal? >> i'm not a liberal. i hate liberals. >> bill: you hate them. >> i hated them just like you do. >> bill: i don't hate liberals. >> i don't hate them either. i was raised a socialist they are not liberals they are

socialist. >> you were raised in a socialist family in utah. >> yes. >> bill: only one in history because not really known for that. >> there wasn't many. you adhere to the socialistic point of view? >> i'm just for solutions. i'm for rebranding things. everything is about branding. and you know, like instead of saying liberal or, you know, anything like that. or socialist, i just say peoplist. like agitating and just trying to keep getting divide sod we never really solve any problems. >> bill: but you are one of the big agitators. is this a new years resolution here. >> do i have a new years resolution stop controversial blogging and lose weight. >> bill: all right. because you have been agitating. you don't like ronald reagan. ronald reagan. >> no. >> bill: you don't like him. >> no. i don't like him. no. >> bill: what did he do wrong? >> he cut all the social programs and destroyed the

entire, you know, infrastructure of the whole social safety net for working class people. >> bill: i didn't really see that he did that he was certainly a self-reliance guy and smaller government guy. >> no. he didn't, bill. he sold our country out piece by piece to the chinese. he made everything for sale. >> bill: we aren't we speaking chinese today then. >> because reagan. because we had a nice country working just fine until that guy got in there and started selling everything you out from under us. >> bill: why aren't we speaking chinese if he sold us out to the chinese. >> did i tell my son if he learned chinese i would buy him a lamborghini. >> bill: i don't know if i'm buying he sold us out to the chinese. >> everybody knows that. everybody on the left. >> bill: beside sean penn who else knows it? >> sean penn? you know what else i want to do? charity farms. >> bill: give the food to the poor people. i will help with you that. >> you would. >> bill: do you know how much money we give away selling our

gear and gizmos? millions of dollars. >> that is a good way to live my belief. my book is about living belief. if you are going to say something, back it up. >> bill: we respect that ms. barr. >> are you serious? >> bill: you get your charity farm going on we will help you out on it. now, you are an old time socialist. >> not a long time. i think i'm a present time. >> bill: do you believe that president obama is a socialist? >> no, god no. >> bill: are you happy with him? >> not that much. i don't think -- i tend to read paul krugman a lot. >> bill: that's a problem right there. >> i knew you would be pleased. >> bill: he would be. according to the dictates of fall he should have done so much more in terms of the bank loans and in terms of the revitalization. the money, there should have been a bigger kick start he wasn't aggressive enough in

imagining the economy. >> do you think is he a phony. >> i don't know yet. >> how did you react when bin laden went down. >> too many people regarded as pan see a he wasn't wanted for the fbi for 9/11. >> a bunch of other crimes. but they were among them. >> the point is everybody thinks that well 9/11 is now a race erased we have got bin laden. >> bill: i don't think everybody feels that. >> i do. >> bill: there is a lot of danger out there. >> a lot of people do. >> funny liberal guys like you and barack obama has been aggressive the drones going in there blowing these guys down. >> that's too aggressive for my money. >> even though you get a bad guy doing a lot of damage. >> i don't want us there. barack obama came into office the one mark i had on him from the get-go is we are going to finish it in afghanistan. i don't think we need it in afghanistan. i would like us to get out of there. nobody has ever won in afghanistan. we can dance and crow at the

russians getting their as whipped there but we are getting the same thing in our own way. >> you are getting out thereof. and you think we are making a mistake. one of the things i like about you is you are not a mean guy. we are the most politically apart as ever but we can have a few laughs. you are lowe grant to me you are look working for me in the newsroom. >> you are fired. did i look like donald trump? >> you are fired. >> bill: when you were doing the moore show did you discuss politics with the crew? was there a lot of back and forth. mary tyler moore is a big factor fan. she watches every night. >> no hedging. how do i look? >> why hedge? how do i look? >> mary has become much more conservative of late. ifsz the most outspoken liberal. >> bill: rush limbaugh calls me ted baxter i consider that a great compliment. >> when you do this as i have you learn to play it down to the wire. >> bill: he was a great actor. >> most perfect man i ever knew.

>> you 10 flights up the fire escape. >> i overshot. >> bill: you are honest guy and patriot. thank you. >> i enjoy you. >> you got spunk. [ laughter ] >> well -- >> i hate spunk. >> bill: on deck, actor kurt cammeron and football star tim tebow talk about the importance of god in their lives. and, later, cheers star john ratsen berger is on a crusade to get americans back to work. >> tinkering spirit is gone too because we don't allow our children to go outside and play. when is the last time you saw a child building a tree house. those reports after these announcements, much

>> bill: second personal story segment tonight. how important is fate in every day life. to football guy tim tebow an actor turned activist kurt cammeron very important. they stopped by the factor not too long ago to explain why. >> so the pilgrims, you want to put them up as kind of the foundation of america we he might go back to what their philosophy was. but here is my beef with that the pilgrims were kind of intolerant people. they weren't embracing the

pursuit of happiness for everybody. it was their way or the highway. what i learned they weren't intolerant in the sense that king james was when they were in england. they wanted to live out principles that they believed were true and right that would bring blessings to not only their family but everyone outside. >> bill: you were going to get put n rack. remember roger williams got to get out of there and go to rhode island because he didn't subscribe to the pilgrims exactly what they were doing pill grams mored into the witch trials. the pilgrim movement wasn't an oppression from the very beginning but they did have problems accepting other points of view. >> i think that no group of people is perfect for sure. >> factor staff. >> okay. but, what i love though was

the fact that i could actually reach back in time in order to get some wisdom about how to move forward in the future for my kids. i thought i knew who the pilgrims were and what i discovered was that these guys are in very many ways my heros. because they had enough foresight to know that we would get off track one day. >> bill: what was their headline? give me their headline. >> they left us a set of principles and a secret sauce so to speak in the form of 180 tojs of granite the very top of that statue her name is faith. faith is the very core of that statue that has been paid for by the state of massachusetts that faith works itself out that provides civility and reality and character and courage and liberty and blessing for all people. >> bill: they basically base it on faith. give them a sign post how to

live. you want americans to know what that was to try to get back to that last question. did your pinhead hollywood friends give you a hard time for being a conservative guy who is fundamentalist in his thinking? do they give you a hard time? they give me a hard time. at the end of the day i want to be a man of conviction and i want to speak my heart and my mind with compassion toward people. >> bill: do you debate them? is it a good natured thing or do they shun you? >> i always try to be good natured. if people want to call me names, they can. i'm not going to resort to that. >> bill: here is what i want to know. i played football at a much lower level than you. in pro-football they have christian athletes like you. all right. but it's a secular society. there is a lot of crazy guys doing a lot of, you know, strip clubs every night, drinking and all this kind of business. does that impact in the locker room at all your lifestyle as opposed to theirs? >> to be able to influence someone or to have a group of guys come together to have a successful team, and to be together all the time every day for, you know, year and

longer together, you have to have a -- find a common ground and that common ground for us is football. and when they realize that i go out there and i work as hard as i can every day, they have a respect for me for how far i play. and then that respect grows to like. that like grows to love. and then they will play for you. if you walk the walk, then when you say something it's going to mean so much more. i think that's how i try to approach it on the field every day. >> bill: do you ever get offended by their behavior? i mean, the ones who do not believe the way you believe? >> very rarely because we all, you know, have things that we're trying to work on. >> bill: so you don't judge? >> absolutely not because i'm not perfect. i'm never gonna be. that's the great thing about living the christian life and walk by faith is you try to get better every day and improve. >> bill: some evangelicals witness. >> absolutely and that is great. but, you know, the greatest way to witness is by walking that straight and narrow and also realizing that you are gonna mess up. that's what grace is for.

we're going to fall but we have got to get back um. and you have got to improve. that's what i'm all about. it's not trying to act like i do everything right because i'm going to screw up. i'm going to mess up. but, you know, i'm going to get back and get after it and try to do better the next day. >> bill: do you pray for victory? >> i think he honestly does care about how we play on the field more than anything win or lose but our hearts on the field. on the field i'm trying to play all for the glory of god but also give everything i have and win and compete and so i think more than just winning or loading he -- you know, i think he cares where our hearts are before we are playing. >> bill: you don't say before the game god let me win by 10 points here. >> to cover the spread. [ laughter ] >> bill: i used to pray and this is absolutely true i used to pray please don't let me break anything. i want to keep my arm and my arm intact. i would pray for the safety of not only me but the team and let the chips fall where they may. >> as i will share in this

book i think more than anything is i pray that somehow through this game i will be able to honor him, be able to inspire someone, be able to encourage. >> bill: you can do that by your fame. >> with but just how i play. thanks for having me on, god bless you. >> bill: john ratsen berger and new crusade to get americans back to work. we'll be right back with that report.

>> bill: welcome back to special edition of the factor and in the back of the book segment tonight. with the unemployment rate about 8%. lots of americans are desperate to find jobs. actor john ratsen berger feels their pain is trying to help. let's call him the job crusader. >> where are these jobs? >> there is plenty of jobs out there but there is nobody to fill skilled worker jobs. >> bill: like what? >> welders, carpenter, bricklayers.

lathe operators. tool and die operators. >> technical jobs. you just saw the people down there, i'm not working for $7 an hour. i'm not doing. this i'm not doing that that goes against my work ethic and i'm sure it goes against yours. >> i was working since i was 9. >> bill: you start and build up some credibility in the workplace and then you go on. what you are saying is that education, public school education should teach some of these kids how to do these things. >> they used to do. 25 years ago they started that we bought into that philosophy of everyone has got to go to college. not true. someone has got to build the college. like someone had to build the ceiling before michael angelo could go to shop. >> i used to have scars right here. >> but if you do go to college. the unemployment rate is only 4.5% in this country. there is something said for getting educated if you possibly can do it because you will work. i agree with you. there used to be the master and the apprentice and the -- you worked your way up. everybody out there knows if

you have got to get a plumber that's 25 bucks an hour, right? >> and the faucet leaks you are not going to be calling the geek squad. >> you say there isn't enough training in the public school system for these jobs? >> there is none. like 2020 there is going to be 10 million unfilled jobs in the skill trade. >> bill: all blue collar jobs? >> right across the board. anybody that uses tools. >> bill: as the service industry goes to china and honduras the replacement for that should be skilled blue collar labor. people who can fix things, auto mechanics. >> the jobs are there now. >> computer guys learn how to fix your computer. >> the tinkering spirit is gone too. we don't allow our children to go outside and play for whatever reason. when is the last time you saw a kid building a tree house. >> bill: they are afraid of the child molesters. >> exactly. instead of fixing a bike they will throw a bike away. we used to learn those skills and then we had options. >> you are making a good point. president obama basically wants to create green jobs.

>> doesn't exist. >> bill: doesn't yet but it might. >> a job is a job mr. you are putting a nut and bolt on a pickup truck or wind machine. >> you say maybe the president put some of the money instead of in the green jobs in the you call them the tinkering jobs. you be a tinker. >> go back the way it was. give the kids an opportunity studying or study math but also study wood shop. metal shop. >> here's the final question. president obama says we're softer society now. we are not willing to work hard anywhere. you see that with these demonstrators yelling and screaming we're not going to take the $7 jobs. is that true? would these kids respond to that even if you offered that? >> somebody is going to respond to it because it's our infrastructure. somebody has got to repair the turbines that supplies the electricity that runs the computers. that's why we have this 10 by 20 program if you go to center for america.org o. download a booklet that we come up with and gives you ideas of what you can do as an average citizen to go to your